Check out www.camerarentalz.com/scarlet-release-tracker the latest Scarlet release info from RED.
Here is a video of Ted Shilowitz holding the RED Scarlet camera in Munich, Germany on July 6th ‘09. He says delivery will be fall ‘09.
Ted then goes on to say that delivery of the Epic X is only a few months away.
Thanks to www.film-tv-video.de for this video.
This prototype Ted is holding is a of couple generations old. RED has stated that their competitors are now watching and are keeping the final design behind closed doors until Scarlet and Epic are ready to ship.
I’m curious about it.
Okay, I don’t believe it!
Is that even a really camera Ted is holding?
Will it work?
I’m not convinced.
Yeah that is the Scarlet prototype. It is similar to what the RED One prototype “Frankie” looked like so I would say this one will work as well!
i wish they learned thing or two from J.P. Beauviala. this is ergonomically not what a shooter wants. too much like the mark II, also.
Eli, the RED Scarlet and EPIC brains are very modular and small enough that you could fit the entire system right inside an Aäton body if you wanted. I would not be surprised if third party companies create Aäton style “cases” for the Scarlet and Epic. The prototype Ted is holding in this video is just one configuration possible with the DSMC system. The “still handle” module he has attached is what makes this look like a 5D Mark II and it is an extra part you add on if you want it. Here is a good list of the modules that will be available from RED.
That thing looks as uncomfortable to hold as it could possibly be. Nothing like sharp corners and 10lbs to lug around.
Rich, keep in mind that RED is keeping the final design under wraps since their competitors are watching closely. Looking at older renders it looks like grips will have rubber, etc, so I hope the final design will be more ergonomic. http://camerarentalz.com/red-scarlet-camera-rental/scarelet-red-camera-fixed/
That said, I don’t think this will replace the DSLR in most still shooters arsenal. If a still shooter is interested in motion (and I know a lot who are) it is a convenient combo, but if a photographer isn’t interested in motion there is no reason this would replace their Nikon or Canon.
It will worth to use scarlet if you will be able to use different lenses on it. Not only Red ones. And how in world you can use Compact Flash with it when the fastest of it on market support only realistic 35 Mb/sec upload and download. And if it will be as Red say 100 Mb/sec theoretically where you gonna store it let say you need 1 min clip so 1×60×100=6GB, so largest is 32 GBx2(dual) so we have 10 min capacity on camera? Or it is Mbit/sec? then it will be 40 min for addition $1000. But no such flash exist at the moment. But I want this camera now. I’ll saw that static lens out and glue adaptor to mount lens I want
Taras, only the 2/3″ fixed lens Scarlet comes with a fixed lens. The other 3, 2/3″ interchangeable, S35 and FF35, come with interchangeable mounts. You have the option of PL, RED, mini-RED, C, B4, Nikon, and Canon lens mounts.
The current RED One using REDCODE 28 is around 28 MB/s. Going forward, RED has said the REDCODE number doesn’t necessarily equate to the data rate so REDCODE 80 that the 2/3″ Scarlet uses may not actually be 80 MB/s. The current RED drives (640gb) will also work with Scarlet and Epic.
…and Canon is just going to sit on it’s arse and do nothing!
The Canon 5D2 is incredibly versatile and a joy to use (in the right hands)…and that’s just a taste of what’s coming in the very near future
Any ideas how the Scarlet will work with a suite of Canon EOS EF lenses? What about autofocus? Probably not, eh? I hear that with 35mm adapters like the Letus, you can’t adjust the aperture. Any possible limitations with EF optics and the Scarlet?
The best option for Canon EF lenses on the RED One right now is the Birger mount. http://www.birger.com This mount allows all of the EF electronic controls to work except auto focus. Birger will be making a new back plate for their mount that will make it compatible with the Scarlet and Epic cameras.
RED is making a line of FF35 lenses that have auto focus but there are no details as to how this will be implemented at this point. Birger also has plans to add auto focus to their Canon EF mount.
Thanks Justin! Music to my ears.
cool info all, and being that Justin seems to be “in the know” Dear Justin, WHEN?
I just stalk Jim Jannard and Ted and post what they say. Ted just said if there are no problems we get a first look around thanksgiving ‘09. Every time I hear something I post here: http://www.camerarentalz.com/scarlet-release-tracker
Do you think they will take pre-orders soon?
Hi Dale, Jim Jannard said they will be announcing the Scarlet and Epic release schedule in October so we should be seeing that within a few weeks. The only way to currently get in line for the DSMC is to purchase a RED One and that serial number becomes your place in line.
Thanks! Is it your assumption that non-Red users (new comers to RED) will be left out for awhile?
Thanks for your help.
It entirely depends how quickly RED can manufacture Scarlet’s and Epic’s. They have stated current RED One owners get priority on orders so it may take awhile to get an Epic at least. Their original plan was to mass produce the 2/3″ Scarlet so that there would be no wait list. It probably partially depends how the economy is doing and how much demand they think is out there. Jannard has also said they started buying up some of the companies in their supply chain which should allow them to get units out much faster then with the RED One.
Sounds good, but you must admit, it is lame for a company to announce a product that doesn’t even exist and then couple it with a restriction on who may have the privilege of buying it at some undetermined time in the future. Just knowing that I will have to play a waiting game behind Red1 owners makes me less interested in owning a scarlet. In fact, I’ve grown to be a bit irritated by Red’s announcement-before-development scheme. Would it be so wrong for them to build the damn thing and THEN announce it?
I’m just getting really tired of the limitations of my 5d Mark II and xh-a1 bundle. Each has its strengths, yet neither are satisfactory on the whole. The Scarlet seems so promising yet so… distantly available. The idea of it excites and frustrates.
Hi Steve, there are definitely two camps: those who revel in RED’s long public development cycle and those who can’t stand it. My thought is that those who don’t like it already have plenty of companies who hold everything back until it’s ready to deliver! RED’s decision to switch to a modular system is what delayed the Scarlet release. It hurts now but I think in the long run the benefits of the modular system will make up for it.
Personally I love their open development style and have learnt a ton from seeing the interaction between the RED team and cinematographers, photographers, ACs, etc. on the forums. I am sure it is much easier for those of us who already own REDs though, as we can distract ourselves with shooting on the current system. I hope RED still sees massive demand for the Scarlet and manufactures them in large quantities. RED One was the camera they learnt on and I would imagine a lot of that applies to making the DSMC as well. I think RED’s unorthodox strategy is what has allowed them to compete with the majors after just over 3 years in existence.
Will the scarlet 2/3″ kit come with the pro cinema i/o module? what about extra batteries?
Hi John, we should find out exactly what comes in the fixed lens Scarlet kit tomorrow during RED’s announcement. If I had to guess I would say it won’t come with the pro i/o module or extra batteries. Jannard has said it will come with the minimum to allow you to shoot which I would guess means the REDhandle (includes battery), CF module, and LCD. All of the other modules (including the pro i/o) will work with the fixed Scarlet but will cost extra.
with the scarlet 2/3″ will i be able to film in lower formats than 3K?
Yes, both 2/3″ Scarlets will be able to do Scaled 1080P at up to 60fps.
So in the FALL? where is it?
will the scarlet have any mic inputs?
Yes it looks like Scarlet definitely won’t be out this fall. The Epix-X “Tattoo” beta cameras will probably ship before fall is over though. Hopefully RED will have solid Scarlet shipping dates by their Nov. 30th announcement.
Jim announced that Scarlet will have two independent microphone level channels, balanced input circuits, 48V Phantom Power, digitized at 24-bit 48KHz. Sounds like miniXLR but that hasn’t been confirmed.
and is this mic input on the 2/3?
Yes these mic inputs will be on both the 2/3″ cinema Scarlet and interchangeable Scarlet.
when shooting in 1080p, how long do you have until you run out of memory? Also do you know if the 2/3″ kit comes with a monitor or an EVF? Thank you for answering all my questions.
We have no idea what the data rate will be of Scarlet’s scaled 1080p mode. They are planning to do 1080p as RGB, not REDCODE RAW, and this makes it difficult to guess the MB/s. The 2/3″ fixed Scarlet kit will definitely not come with an EVF as that costs $3,200. The kit will likely come with the 2.8″ touchscreen LCD and other modules to get you to a shootable camera. We will have to wait for the Nov. 30th announcement to know for sure.
Just make sure that the Scarlett has a place in industrial video production. I would make it much larger than the earlier specs. When you are running and gunning a small camera is useless for a pro cameraman. This thing should be the same size as the jvc hd 100. Even if most of it is empty it will give the pro cameraman stabilty. The ability to shoulder mount -standard. Anton Bauer gold mount so we can use our existing batterie plug for lighting and a mount for a light-female screw on top of camera.
VU meters on the side of the camera and also in the viewfinder. I dont know what mini XLR’S are. If you wire into a mixer for a line feed you may have problems, a standard XLR would be better. A headphone jack, black and white viewfinder with color bars and a flip out monitor for those long shoots. It would be super cool if it could also shoot on standard mini dv and the memory chip at the same time-whatever memory chip you use. I looked at the workflow to the Avid and it seems like it would work but I would be on pins and needles at first. Maybe Avid should write a direct import mode like it has for Panasonic P2, maybe they are working on it but that would be wonderful. Keep in close contact with Apple and Avid because 90 percent of your users are going to be on FCP or Avids. Just my two cents on making the camera work in the real world. I will definitely be in line with my check book when you release it. Love to visit your factory, I am right down the road in Aliso Viejo.-Thank You- Robert
Robert, I just want to state that we are not affiliated with RED Digital Cinema and are just customers of theirs like everyone else. I know you weren’t talking to me directly but I just want to clarify that.
Personally I think RED is heading in the right direction with making the brains as small as possible. The brain and modules are small enough to fit within the cases of many popular camera designs and I foresee 3rd party companies doing just that. No one configuration will satisfy everyone but if you make it small enough it can be built up to almost any shape. Mini-XLRs are what the RED One currently has and require a simple adapter to go to full XLR. Full size XLRs just don’t fit on the small brains. All brains will have a headphone jack and the viewfinder does have a black and white mode. The REDCODE SDK is out there and Adobe Permiere and Sony Vegas have done an amazing job of implementing it in to their NLEs. I’m sure other suites will follow.
tomorrow (nov. 30th.) we get to know all the details