Comments on: Scarlet and Canon 5D Mark II Comparison http://camerarentalz.com/scarlet-and-canon-5d-mark-ii/ Thu, 17 May 2012 02:57:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Dr. Elliot McGucken http://camerarentalz.com/scarlet-and-canon-5d-mark-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-50774 Dr. Elliot McGucken Sun, 26 Jun 2011 18:58:59 +0000 http://camerarentalz.com/?p=1471#comment-50774 Canon 5D Mark ii + Canon HFS200 dedicated camcorder beats the Red Epic hands down, costing 1/10 as much! A Canon-based 9shooter system (with the Canon 5D Mark ii & HFS200) costs less than 1/10 cost of the RED EPIC and can be hand-held, as it is far lighter and smaller. The 9shooter also carries the advantages of redundancy and both dedicated stabilization for stills and dynamic stabilization for video, and one can use standard Canon lenses. In a showdown, the <$5,000 9shooter system would beat the $58,000+ EPIC RED hands down. And just you wait until the 9shooter with a Canon 5D Mark III & Mark IV! http://blog.9shooter.com/2011/06/canon-based-nine-shooter-9shooter-4500.html In a showdown, the 9shooter beats the EPIC RED hands down. Canon 5D Mark ii + Canon HFS200 dedicated camcorder beats the Red Epic hands down, costing 1/10 as much!

A Canon-based 9shooter system (with the Canon 5D Mark ii & HFS200) costs less than 1/10 cost of the RED EPIC and can be hand-held, as it is far lighter and smaller. The 9shooter also carries the advantages of redundancy and both dedicated stabilization for stills and dynamic stabilization for video, and one can use standard Canon lenses. In a showdown, the <$5,000 9shooter system would beat the $58,000+ EPIC RED hands down. And just you wait until the 9shooter with a Canon 5D Mark III & Mark IV!
http://blog.9shooter.com/2011/06/canon-based-nine-shooter-9shooter-4500.html

In a showdown, the 9shooter beats the EPIC RED hands down.

]]> By: Justin O'Neill http://camerarentalz.com/scarlet-and-canon-5d-mark-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-19587 Justin O'Neill Sun, 24 Oct 2010 18:45:44 +0000 http://camerarentalz.com/?p=1471#comment-19587 I will assume you are talking about the Panavision "Genesis" and the <a href="http://camerarentalz.com/scarlet-23-3k/" rel="nofollow">3k version of Scarlet</a> (it comes in <a href="http://camerarentalz.com/scarlet-s35/" rel="nofollow">5k</a> and <a href="http://camerarentalz.com/scarlet-ff35/" rel="nofollow">6k</a> as well). The most obvious difference between the 3 cameras is resolution. The Genesis has 1,920 horizontal pixels, the Scarlet 3,000 and the RED One 4,000. To really see this resolution difference you would have to be using a 4k projector, though. Another big difference is going to be dynamic range. The Genesis has about 11 stops of latitude, the RED One with the Mysterium-X about 12 and the Scarlet and Epic using HDRx get about 18 stops. That 18 stops blows anything else out of the water (film at best has 15 stops) and would be a very noticeable difference in bright day footage. If we are talking about the 3k 2/3" Scarlet we have to take into consideration depth of field. Both the RED One and Genesis use S35 sensors which are much larger then 2/3" and give you the option of much shallower depth of field. You would have to set the aperture to t1.5 on the Scarlet to match the depth of field and angle of view of the RED One or Genesis at t4. If you are using the <a href="http://camerarentalz.com/scarlet-s35/" rel="nofollow">5k S35 Scarlet</a> the depth of field would be the same across all 3 cameras. The 3k Scarlet will be more then capable of shooting a major feature film. These Hollywood films were all shot on a 2/3" sensor: <ul> <li>Sin City I and II <li>21 <li>Planet Terror <li>Once upon a time in Mexico <li>ZODIAC <li>The Curious Case of Benjamin Button <li>Speed Racer <li>Star Wars Eps II, III <li>Miami Vice </ul> I will assume you are talking about the Panavision “Genesis” and the 3k version of Scarlet (it comes in 5k and 6k as well). The most obvious difference between the 3 cameras is resolution. The Genesis has 1,920 horizontal pixels, the Scarlet 3,000 and the RED One 4,000. To really see this resolution difference you would have to be using a 4k projector, though. Another big difference is going to be dynamic range. The Genesis has about 11 stops of latitude, the RED One with the Mysterium-X about 12 and the Scarlet and Epic using HDRx get about 18 stops. That 18 stops blows anything else out of the water (film at best has 15 stops) and would be a very noticeable difference in bright day footage. If we are talking about the 3k 2/3″ Scarlet we have to take into consideration depth of field. Both the RED One and Genesis use S35 sensors which are much larger then 2/3″ and give you the option of much shallower depth of field. You would have to set the aperture to t1.5 on the Scarlet to match the depth of field and angle of view of the RED One or Genesis at t4. If you are using the 5k S35 Scarlet the depth of field would be the same across all 3 cameras.

The 3k Scarlet will be more then capable of shooting a major feature film. These Hollywood films were all shot on a 2/3″ sensor:

  • Sin City I and II
  • 21
  • Planet Terror
  • Once upon a time in Mexico
  • ZODIAC
  • The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
  • Speed Racer
  • Star Wars Eps II, III
  • Miami Vice
]]> By: Christopher Wingate http://camerarentalz.com/scarlet-and-canon-5d-mark-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-19562 Christopher Wingate Sun, 24 Oct 2010 14:38:51 +0000 http://camerarentalz.com/?p=1471#comment-19562 If I were to place three camera's side by side- Red One, Scarlet and Panavision and shot wet street night and bright day footage and fired them up onto a big screen- what would be the difference? Are we talking all that much difference? Can you give me some ideas as to what type of projects I could plan for the Scarlet's use? Could I use the Scarlet for a feature film? I have used the Red One in testing and OMG we shot and 5 minutes later had it up on the full sized screen and I was stunned. It looked like a full on Batman / Hollywood production yet the indoor light was from a $40 mini spot. If I were to place three camera’s side by side- Red One, Scarlet and Panavision and shot wet street night and bright day footage and fired them up onto a big screen- what would be the difference?

Are we talking all that much difference?

Can you give me some ideas as to what type of projects I could plan for the Scarlet’s use?

Could I use the Scarlet for a feature film?

I have used the Red One in testing and OMG we shot and 5 minutes later had it up on the full sized screen and I was stunned. It looked like a full on Batman / Hollywood production yet the indoor light was from a $40 mini spot.

]]> By: Justin O'Neill http://camerarentalz.com/scarlet-and-canon-5d-mark-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-19230 Justin O'Neill Sat, 23 Oct 2010 07:02:13 +0000 http://camerarentalz.com/?p=1471#comment-19230 RED is currently beta testing the Epic/Scarlet prototype and will not commit to a release date at this point. I would not count on Scarlet shipping in 2010. Watch this site and as soon as RED announces a ship date we will post it. RED is currently beta testing the Epic/Scarlet prototype and will not commit to a release date at this point. I would not count on Scarlet shipping in 2010. Watch this site and as soon as RED announces a ship date we will post it.

]]> By: Naveen http://camerarentalz.com/scarlet-and-canon-5d-mark-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-19069 Naveen Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:26:01 +0000 http://camerarentalz.com/?p=1471#comment-19069 could someone tell the exact date of launch of Scarlet. and i wanna know how to book scarlet. i'm very eager to buy this one could someone tell the exact date of launch of Scarlet. and i wanna know how to book scarlet. i’m very eager to buy this one

]]> By: Justin O'Neill http://camerarentalz.com/scarlet-and-canon-5d-mark-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-14370 Justin O'Neill Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:40:13 +0000 http://camerarentalz.com/?p=1471#comment-14370 The most obvious differences between the HXR-NX5U and the Scarlet are the Scarlet has a much larger sensor (<a href="http://bitzinmotion.com/hdslr-sensor-formats/" rel="nofollow">2/3" compared to the Sony's 1/3"</a>) and resolution (3k compared to the Sony's 1.9k). On top of that Scarlet goes up to 150fps (Sony maxes out at 60ps), Scarlet records to a RAW format (the Sony records 4:2:2) and Scarlet is modular meaning you can stay simple or add as many features as you want. Last we heard the $4,750 fixed Scarlet kit came with Side CF module, REDmote, 2.8? Touchscreen LCD, REDVOLT battery and travel charger. All you need to be up and shooting with this is a 16gb CF card ($300). There is an EVF in the DSMC lineup but it is professional quality and costs $3,200. The fixed zoom is not removable so you can't replace it with Nikkor or Canon lenses. I suppose you could use something like the Redrock M2 35mm adapter to put Nikkor and Canon lenses on front of the fixed zoom but at that price you might as well buy the S35 Scarlet. Maybe you were thinking of the 2/3" <a href="http://camerarentalz.com/scarlet-23-3k/" rel="nofollow">Cinema Scarlet ($2,750)</a> that takes pretty much any lens. Compared to S35mm film the Scarlet's crop factor is 2.47. Compared to full frame 35mm still film the crop factor is 3.56. This means all of your S35mm and Nikkor/Canon lenses become telephoto on the 2/3" Scarlet. The 8x fixed lens on the Scarlet has one focus ring that can be set to either focus, zoom or aperture as you are shooting. The most obvious differences between the HXR-NX5U and the Scarlet are the Scarlet has a much larger sensor (2/3″ compared to the Sony’s 1/3″) and resolution (3k compared to the Sony’s 1.9k). On top of that Scarlet goes up to 150fps (Sony maxes out at 60ps), Scarlet records to a RAW format (the Sony records 4:2:2) and Scarlet is modular meaning you can stay simple or add as many features as you want.

Last we heard the $4,750 fixed Scarlet kit came with Side CF module, REDmote, 2.8? Touchscreen LCD, REDVOLT battery and travel charger. All you need to be up and shooting with this is a 16gb CF card ($300). There is an EVF in the DSMC lineup but it is professional quality and costs $3,200.

The fixed zoom is not removable so you can’t replace it with Nikkor or Canon lenses. I suppose you could use something like the Redrock M2 35mm adapter to put Nikkor and Canon lenses on front of the fixed zoom but at that price you might as well buy the S35 Scarlet. Maybe you were thinking of the 2/3″ Cinema Scarlet ($2,750) that takes pretty much any lens.

Compared to S35mm film the Scarlet’s crop factor is 2.47. Compared to full frame 35mm still film the crop factor is 3.56. This means all of your S35mm and Nikkor/Canon lenses become telephoto on the 2/3″ Scarlet.

The 8x fixed lens on the Scarlet has one focus ring that can be set to either focus, zoom or aperture as you are shooting.

]]> By: Shawil http://camerarentalz.com/scarlet-and-canon-5d-mark-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-14263 Shawil Sun, 19 Sep 2010 19:44:43 +0000 http://camerarentalz.com/?p=1471#comment-14263 Hey Justin, Probably a goofy question, but how does a camera like this compare to say, a Sony NXCAM HXR-NX5U? I am considering the Scarlet fixed kit - but i didn't see a viewfinder. What exactly does the Scarlet 3K come with? What additional accessories would i have to purchase in order to achieve basic still / video shooting? Plus I thought i read somewhere that the 8x Fixed can be adapted to a Nikkor/Canon lens. I heard of the RED ONE years ago, but I'm new to the Scarlet/Epic systems so forgive my lack of knowledge as i am currently researching it intensively. And one more question...how does the "fixed" lens on the Scarlet compare to a 35mm zoom factor? What's the equivalent? Does the lens have focus, zoom and aperture rings like the HD cams out there? Thanks! Shawn Hey Justin,

Probably a goofy question, but how does a camera like this compare to say, a Sony NXCAM HXR-NX5U? I am considering the Scarlet fixed kit – but i didn’t see a viewfinder. What exactly does the Scarlet 3K come with? What additional accessories would i have to purchase in order to achieve basic still / video shooting?

Plus I thought i read somewhere that the 8x Fixed can be adapted to a Nikkor/Canon lens. I heard of the RED ONE years ago, but I’m new to the Scarlet/Epic systems so forgive my lack of knowledge as i am currently researching it intensively.

And one more question…how does the “fixed” lens on the Scarlet compare to a 35mm zoom factor? What’s the equivalent? Does the lens have focus, zoom and aperture rings like the HD cams out there?

Thanks!

Shawn

]]> By: Justin O'Neill http://camerarentalz.com/scarlet-and-canon-5d-mark-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-1688 Justin O'Neill Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:01:53 +0000 http://camerarentalz.com/?p=1471#comment-1688 Hi Karanja, both Scarlet and Epic will be 15bit. RED is still tweaking the sensor so we don't know how many stops there will be. They are saying about 1 1/2 more then on the RED One cameras at this point in development. All of the Epics and Scarlets support interchangeable mounts and lenses except for the fixed 8x zoom 2/3" Scarlet. RED is working on allowing us to record to many different storage options but currently you can record to CF cards, RED Drives (hard drive), and RED RAM. Prices may have gone up slightly but the previously announced price of $2,500 is for the brain only. The fixed lens Scarlet shooting kit is targeted around $4k. All shooting modes on RED cameras are progressive. Hi Karanja, both Scarlet and Epic will be 15bit. RED is still tweaking the sensor so we don’t know how many stops there will be. They are saying about 1 1/2 more then on the RED One cameras at this point in development. All of the Epics and Scarlets support interchangeable mounts and lenses except for the fixed 8x zoom 2/3″ Scarlet. RED is working on allowing us to record to many different storage options but currently you can record to CF cards, RED Drives (hard drive), and RED RAM. Prices may have gone up slightly but the previously announced price of $2,500 is for the brain only. The fixed lens Scarlet shooting kit is targeted around $4k. All shooting modes on RED cameras are progressive.

]]> By: karanja http://camerarentalz.com/scarlet-and-canon-5d-mark-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-1660 karanja Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:04:48 +0000 http://camerarentalz.com/?p=1471#comment-1660 what is the bit depth per channel for the red scarlet? 10bit?12bit? or 14bit?how many stops? does red scarlet supported detatchable lenses? and what does it use for storing the image data? harddrive or solidstate flash memory? and is that sub 3000$ include a lense or is this the price for the body alone? does it shoot in progressive mode? if there is anyone outthere with experience with this thing,please share,possibly a list of features would be nice.am a Kenyan dude who does music videos and documentaries,and i want to know whether this scarlet beats the hvr-zu1. what is the bit depth per channel for the red scarlet? 10bit?12bit? or 14bit?how many stops?
does red scarlet supported detatchable lenses?
and what does it use for storing the image data? harddrive or solidstate flash memory?
and is that sub 3000$ include a lense or is this the price for the body alone?
does it shoot in progressive mode?

if there is anyone outthere with experience with this thing,please share,possibly a list of features
would be nice.am a Kenyan dude who does music videos and documentaries,and i want to know
whether this scarlet beats the hvr-zu1.

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