MONITORING:
2.8″ LCD – touchscreen – $900
5″ LCD – touchscreen – $1,600
7″ LCD – current model – $2,500
9″ LCD – touchscreen (2010) – TBD
BOMB EVF – $3,200
CONTROL:
REDMOTE – $550
REDMOTE PRO – $1,750
SIDE HANDLE – $950
BOTTOM HANDLE – $350
MEDIA:
DUAL CF REAR MODULE – $950
1.8″ REAR SSD MODULE – $1,500
1.8″ SIDE SSD MODULE – $1,500
64GB SSD MAG – $950
128GB SSD MAG – $1800
256GB SSD MAG – $3200
REAR MODULES:
EPIC REAR MODULE ADAPTER – $300
SCARLET MODULE ADAPTER – $300
BASE I/O MODULE – $1,750
PRO I/O MODULE – $2,950
BATTERY MODULE – (with two standard batteries) – $1,250
OTHER ACCESSORIES:
EPIC/Scarlet BASE PLATE – $500
NATO BOTTOM RIG BASE PLATE – TBD
TOP MOUNT – $200
RED MATTEBOX – $1,200 (flags not included)
LENS MOUNTS:
ELECTRONIC RED MOUNT – $500
ELECTRONIC NIKON MOUNT – $500
ELECTRONIC CANON MOUNT – $500
10.16.2009 There will be a 2nd Option for RED One Owners Upgrading to Epic-X Jannard just posted that due to strong demand they will offer an upgrade path to the Epic-X that allows RED One owners to keep their original camera as well. Details will be announced on Oct. 30th. Follow the thread here: www.reduser.net/forum/
09.22.2009 Epic-X Upgrade Faq for RED One Owners
From RED:
What are a RED ONE owner’s upgrade options?
Is the upgrade program to EPIC X only available to current RED ONE owners?
The EPIC X upgrade program is open to all RED ONE owners, present and future. There is no cut off date set for the upgrade program.
As a RED ONE owner, how long do I have to make the decision to upgrade to EPIC X?
The period of time that a RED ONE owner may upgrade is indefinite. There will likely be some point where the offer is withdrawn, but it will be far enough into the future that any owner that is considering the switch will have had plenty of time to take advantage of the upgrade.
What are the details of the EPIC X upgrade program?
The retail cost of an EPIC S35 Brain is $28K. EPIC X is a limited edition version of the EPIC S35, housed in unique Titanium colored side panels and packaged with 3 key additional modules, the RED Battery Expansion Module, the RED Media Module and the RED I/O Module. The package price of the EPIC X and all three modules is $28K, the same as a standard EPIC S35. The RED ONE owner, present and future, is exclusive in their ability to participate in the program and has two options towards upgrading to EPIC X. One, is to trade in his/her RED ONE, receive a one-time $17.5K credit, and pay an additional $10.5K and receive an EPIC X. The other option is to keep ownership of one’s RED ONE and pay $28K for the EPIC X package. In either case, the serial number is noted as an “Executed” upgrade transaction.
I understand that the RED ONE owner has the option of upgrading his/her sensor to Mysterium-X and that the charge is $4500. Can a modified RED ONE with Mysterium-X modification be used to upgrade to an EPIC X?
Yes, the Mysterium-X upgrade does not preclude upgrading to an EPIC camera at a later date.
Is the upgrade program for RED ONE owners limited to or specific to just the EPIC X?
A RED ONE owner can upgrade to any EPIC camera; EPIC X, EPIC S35, EPIC FF35, EPIC 645 or EPIC 617. The upgrade is a one for one program and the serial number is marked as “Executed” upon completion of upgrade.
When the time comes for me to upgrade to EPIC, either by trading in my RED ONE or using my RED ONE as a coupon towards EPIC, am I limited to the number of EPICs that I can purchase?
The RED ONE customer may purchase as many EPICs, at full price, as they want.
What is the upgrade path beyond EPIC X? Can I upgrade to Monstro at a later date from EPIC X?
With Epic, the customer can upgrade indefinitely, due to the modular concept upon which it is based. EPIC X uses the EPIC S35 Brain. Surrounding that brain and forming the camera are the REDmote control interface, RED Battery Module or REDhandle, RED I/O Module, Finders, LCDs, RED Mounts and a collection of peripheral support gear that comprise a working camera. This modular system allows the user to remove just the brain and replace it with future sensor/electronics packages, without having to give up all of the supporting accessories. The cost of the new brains will rest on the customer, so that RED can stay in business and continue building industry leading cameras. The offer to RED ONE owners of a full credit towards EPIC is a promise made to support the philosophy of “Obsolescence Obsolete” and is a one-time opportunity. It is given because of our commitment to our customer for his or her loyalty, and because our vision of a modular upgradability with EPIC could not evolve based on the RED ONE form factor.
What accessories are compatible between RED ONE and EPIC?
All RED EVFs, RED LCDs, RED Brick batteries and RED Chargers, PL mount lenses and external RED RAID and RED Flash Drives are compatible between the current and future systems. Exceptions would include the RED ONE CF Module, bottom mounting hardware (dovetail/bottom plate), RED Top Mounts or any component specific to the shape of the RED ONE. Anything connecting via signal or power path is fully compatible.
Jim Jannard as been talking a lot lately about how important a successful spin of the ASICs for the DSMC is to the Scarlet and Epic ship date so we thought we would give a brief overview of what exactly he means.
ASIC stands for Application-Specific Integrated Circuit and is basically the “system on a chip” that will run the Scarlet and Epic brains. The reason we haven’t heard of these before is the RED One camera uses an FPGA or Field-Programmable Gate Array. The differences between the two systems are listed below:
FPGA
FPGA hardware is re-programmable via software. This doesn’t mean you can turn your RED One into a laser (not 100% sure on this) but it has allowed RED to add features that weren’t in the original design, such as ramping, 2k @120FPS, Color Science, etc. The ability to re-program also means a much quicker development time as features can be enabled and bugs fixed with software updates once the hardware is out in the field. FPGAs are closer to actual computers and have components like memory and CPUs which must be booted up in sequence (thus the long boot up time on the RED One).
Pros:
- Re-programmable
- Much quicker development time
Cons:
- Slower
- Slow power up
- Runs hot
- Large
- Power hungry
ASIC
ASICs are mainly controlled by hardware chips and are designed for a specific job. Small firmware updates can be made but nothing near what is possible on the RED One. This means development can take much longer as features have to be built into the chips and bugs squashed prior to shipping. Due to the hardware being optimized for a singular purpose, ASICs are small, very fast and run cool. Most consumer electronics like cellphones and cameras are controlled by ASICs these days and we can expect a start up time closer to DSLRs for the DSMC. Hardware optimization also means the DSMC will be much less power hungry and from the look of it will be able to use much smaller batteries.
Pros:
- Fast
- 1-2 second start up
- Runs cool
- Small
- Power efficient
- Cheaper in large quantities
Cons:
- Harder to add features
- Longer development time
- Higher initial development costs
Jim Jannard has posted answers to some of the most frequently asked questions in regards to the RED Pro Prime lenses. You can find the original post here: www.reduser.net
The new RED DSMC system will have 8 different brains that use 5 sensor formats, 2/3″, S35, FF35, 645 and 617. Since these are all motion/stills cameras it helps to think of them in megapixels:
The graphic below helps put the sensor dimensions in perspective.
There are many different sensor and film formats out there and the graphic below shows how they relate to the RED One 4k Mysterium sensor. Special thanks to Ninja Brook Willard for putting this together.
The 2/3″ 3k interchangeable lens Scarlet can take any lens mount and almost any lens, but 2/3″, 16mm and B4 lenses will not have any crop factor.
16mm Lenses
There is some question if all 16mm lenses will be able to resolve the full 3k resolution. The premium quality S16 lenses should look great. Until we actually have a Scarlet to test this on the 2k mode on the RED One camera will have to do.
- Cooke 9-50mm 16mm t2.5 This zoom lens can be found for around $2k – $3k. Kip Kubin on reduser has posted a great still from this lens used in the 2k mode on the RED One camera.
Some images of the Cooke 9-50mm lens:
Be sure to avoid the RX versions of the Angenieux lenses as they are designed to focus through a prism just like B4 lenses.
- Angenieux 12-120mm
- Angenieux 15-150mm
- Angenieux 10-150mm
- Angenieux 9.5-57mm F1.6 Larry McKee has generously provided some great frame grabs from this lens used with the 2k mode on the RED One.
- Angenieux 17.5-70mm F2.2 We will try to get some stills and footage from this lens up soon. In the meantime, here are some images of the PL converted version of this lens:
- Zeiss 10-100mm
miniRED Mount
The miniRED primes are likely to be the best match for the 2/3″ interchangeable Scarlet. The first four lenses in the set are really fast at t1.5 and only cost $950/lens. The image of the dog below was shot on a prototype 25mm miniRED and is the only shot RED has released from these 2/3″ lenses. RED will be making 6 x 2/3″ format miniRED primes:
- 6mm T1.5
- 8mm T1.5
- 16mm T1.5
- 25mm T1.5
- 50mm T2.9
- 75mm T4
B4 Lenses
B4 lenses are meant to focus on the sensor through a prism so will look best with a special mount with an extra glass element. Without the prism there will be some chromatic aberation, especially on wide angle lenses. The RED One currently uses the B4 mount made by Abakus so it stands to reason the Scarlet and Epic will as well.
S35 Cinema and FF35 Still Lenses
The modularity of the DSMC system allows us to put any mount on the 2/3″ Scarlet even if the lenses are designed for a larger sensor. A lot of people have S35 cinema glass and FF35 still lenses sitting around and the good news is that they will indeed work with the 3k Scarlet. The big downside is that there will be a serious crop factor with these lenses so it will be tricky to get any wide shots.
S35:
Your traditional cinema lens will have about a x 2.47 crop factor when used on the 2/3″ Scarlet. This means a Zeiss Super Speed 18mm (typically the widest in a set) will have the equivalent field of view of a 44mm lens.
FF35:
FF35 lenses fare even worse, which is unfortunate because Nikon still lenses are definitely the cheapest option for good looking glass. FF35 has a x 3.56 crop factor meaning an 18mm Nikkor will have the equivalent field of view of a 64mm lens.
